Intercoolers & heatexchangers

[ronin]

Does an intercooler add power ?
Does a more efficent A/W chargecooler add even more power ?


Why ?

[ronin]

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[ronin]

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[MaineLotus]

Does an intercooler add power ?
Does a more efficent A/W chargecooler add even more power ?


Why ?

Are these trick questions?

[ronin]

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[ronin]

Does an intercooler add power ?
Does a more efficent A/W chargecooler add even more power ?


Why ?

Are these trick questions?

It's startin to feel like it's my own fuckin blog here........instead of sharing ideas

and if you read Lotus Talk they don't have a fuckin clue as to how shit works.....

[MaineLotus]

I only share when I have ideas that are technically sound and have some value. Quality over quantity! I will be posting pics today - FINALLY got my crank back from Castillo's Crank!!

[ronin]

I only share when I have ideas that are technically sound and have some value. Quality over quantity! I will be posting pics today - FINALLY got my crank back from Castillo's Crank!!

Cool .......

Yes boys and girls intercoolers do add power, not just keep it and more efficent intercoolers add more power..........

If you do a dyno pull with say a A/A intercooled 255cup car as soon as it's warmed up enough to get onto the second cam it will still be far from the power output of the same car with a proper A/W chargecooler........now add tuning to the chargecooler setup to take advantage of the cooler charge air and there's no looking back.....

[Stan]

Yes boys and girls intercoolers do add power, not just keep it and more efficent intercoolers add more power..........If you do a dyno pull with say a A/A intercooled 255cup car as soon as it's warmed up enough to get onto the second cam it will still be far from the power output of the same car with a proper A/W chargecooler........now add tuning to the chargecooler setup to take advantage of the cooler charge air and there's no looking back.....

Well sure. I mean think about it...a car like the Lotus SC machines have sort of an "impossible" engine. The kind that could not be done at all not too many years ago. This is due to sophisticated engine management keeping you in the safe zone. The rules of physics have not been broken, the motor just has a very capable and anal hall monitor keeping things under control, and with little delay.



An impossible engine? I mean cast pistons, high redline, very high compression and then we add not very efficient (excess heat) boost to that? It's not hard to get proper fueling. But to keep the deal alive you have to do lots of spark retard. This sends energy out the exhaust pipe rather than out the crankshaft. If you drop the temperatures, you can run more spark so that you can put more of the fuel you are burning to productive use. And make other changes possible.

[sfelise]

There is this one, supposedly PLRacing is casting a proper manifold, which might be interesting if it actually happens.

[ronin]

I tried to share some info with those guys but they gave me the cold shoulder.......I gave they took nothing more..we'll see

[sfelise]

To bad they are not open to input. They have also kind of vanished so this picture might be all we ever see.

So far the only company that has actually cast a manifold and made the whole package available to the community is Blackwatch, and I can not figure out why they would go to all that trouble and not make something with an intercooler. They cast their own manifold and it really isn't notably different than the greddy/tripoint/ronin/katana systems in terms of configuration and potential output. Its too bad PLRacing isn't listening to people who have already been there but I have to at least hand it to them for trying something new. I had hoped their kit minus their ECU/Tuning would be a good option.

[ronin]

To bad they are not open to input. They have also kind of vanished so this picture might be all we ever see.

So far the only company that has actually cast a manifold and made the whole package available to the community is Blackwatch, and I can not figure out why they would go to all that trouble and not make something with an intercooler. They cast their own manifold and it really isn't notably different than the greddy/tripoint/ronin/katana systems in terms of configuration and potential output. Its too bad PLRacing isn't listening to people who have already been there but I have to at least hand it to them for trying something new. I had hoped their kit minus their ECU/Tuning would be a good option.

With all due respect, what the fuck you talkin about Willis ? .... Black Watch did nothing but rip off the Greddy manifold used on the Ronin kit......If you call copying R$D.....I came up with the kit for the Lotus.....sold by Tri-Point and Sector111, Black Watch just ripped off the Greddy manifold.......

Yeah I hope they do come out with it, then it will give guys other options.......

[sfelise]

Uhm what are you talking about? Did you come up with the casting for blackwatch? For that matter did you come up with the casting for the greddy? No. Easy big guy you don't have to have invented everything. The castings are what I'm talking about, not tuning, or brackets, or the multitude of other stuff you've worked on. I think we are in agreement that Blackwatch hasn't come up with anything really new, that in fact is my point. I'm not talking about who copied what, I don't know and I'm not tempted by either of these kits so I don't have much interest. My point is that Blackwatch did not do anything really new, the Blackwatch kit is effectively just like the whatever you want to call it based off the greddy manifold and throttle body neck, and that is too bad since Blackwatch had the opportunity to do something different when they took the step to make their own manifold, but they didn't. Unfortunately we now have a lot of splitting hairs over two kits that if tuned equally are basically the same.

So I was also giving PLRacing credit for doing something different. I hope it works. I likewise hope that the mystery setup you showed works, but from what I've seen I like the basic configuration of the PLRacing kit better - if everything else was equal. I would rather have the charge cooler on the passenger side leaving the driver side stock or not depending on what someone wanted to do. It also seems that air/water is the way to go, as you should know better than the rest of us, so the mystery kit is less tempting because of those reasons. That said since your the one teasing us about the mystery kit I give it a better chance of actually coming out than the PLRacing one, and if you and Charlie helped with the tune I will probably end up with it

Maybe without the air/air though, but who knows maybe it'll work great, after all ForcedFed has been using a similar one on their turbos for years. So when are we going to get to see this mystery setup? Every day feels like another 3 years of waiting

[ronin]

I never said I came up with the castings for the kit, I did say that BWR just ripped off the Greddy casting that's all.....No real R$D on their part.......You're right the Gotham/ronin tune will give the same results on ether kit...It's the aditude of BWR that pisses me off that's why they don't have our tune and trust me they want it bad........They [BWR] did fuck up big time putting the alternator alongside the header but what do I know.....

The best place for the intercooler is on the drivers side, there are too many service items on the pasenger side [ alternator. drive belt, A/C]..

I would like to see a chargecooler but that would add to the cost of the new kit big time so for now we'll see what they get as is......it will still be better than BWR/Sector....